Subject	Since water/alcohol/secret sauce is the rage....
Posted by	mpmarino on November 20, 2012 at 7:14 AM
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Message	High risk topic...clearly way out of the box, don't just go and do this! I just wanted to bring a topic up. Let me start by asking that we ignore engine safety (sort of) for a moment. Obviously this is risky business, but I am interested if those with experience in the matter could tune in. Not regarding engine safety with potential W/A Injection failure, BUT WITH REGARDS TO KEEPING IATs LOW ENOUGH. Let's assume factory 370cc injectors, factory turbos, factory VG30ETT motor, 93 pump, and VERY SHORT (2 1/4-2/1/2 pipes?) pre/post turbos. This 'theoretical' setup would also have NO INTERCOOLERS. This would not be a 700rwhp monster, but maybe a 400hp+ car. The entire intake system would breath with almost no resistance. I know there are variables regarding fluid used - let's assume the (close to) ideal whatever that may be. Also, ambient will play a big role, but let's just say 80F as an average... 1) would a well designed WI system be capable of keeping the IAT low enough to run 12-14psi without detonation? Higher? 2) Do any of you measure IAT? If so, what IAT are you seeing, and at what level? At what IAT do you experience detonation? and... What would be considered the highest safe IAT as around 14psi with close to factory timing? 3)please, other comments not related to potential failure of the aux. injection system? Please don't flame - just a question, as crazy as they may seem. OK, now you can kick me out of TT.net :) 8.5 to 1 CR NA. For the moment....
Follow Ups	Since water/alcohol/secret sauce is the rage.... - mpmarino 07:14:44 11/20/12 what are your plans for the car? - Krazyd27(Houston) 08:35:02 11/20/12 Re: what are your plans for the car? - Wiegs 09:01:31 11/20/12 Just something different. - mpmarino 09:08:41 11/20/12 The VG runs hot to begin with. Removing cooling elements - TriniTT 09:00:03 11/20/12 Check out the Aquamist forum. - xpwarrior 09:40:35 11/20/12 There were/are a few cars I know of (non-z) that run high - dogpile 09:48:27 11/20/12 The reduction in piping would be great, but even though you - jmt-z 09:51:16 11/20/12 I know at least with the Snow Performance systems - Zsgetyoulaid 10:15:25 11/20/12 Yes, but I have even had a safe injection module fail. - MixManMash 13:13:57 11/20/12 I used to be all about water/meth inj - Zsgetyoulaid 10:13:21 11/20/12 How corrosive is a pure water injection system (no alcohol)? (n/m) - RonZ300 (Socal) 10:50:29 11/20/12 I dont remember who posted it... - Red Hawk (CO) 10:57:17 11/20/12 I wonder how the heads hold up? (n/m) - RonZ300 (Socal) 10:58:08 11/20/12 heads were fine - aliaZ 11:09:11 11/20/12 The heads are aluminum too, and have water going through - jmt-z 11:11:12 11/20/12 that was me - aliaZ 11:08:09 11/20/12 The stock pipes shouldnt see any rust. - Woody75 (Denver) 11:14:14 11/20/12 I agree it shouldn't be in there, somehow i think it was - Red Hawk (CO) 11:29:19 11/20/12 I was running a snow system - aliaZ 12:07:25 11/20/12 I had the SMC system on my car installed by MWS. - Evan(CA) 17:59:59 11/20/12 Your set up appears to have had issues as well. - Woody75 (Denver) 19:04:35 11/20/12 Re: Since water/alcohol/secret sauce is the rage.... - mpmarino 11:09:04 11/20/12 "I know there are a zillion variables." - TriniTT 11:19:35 11/20/12 Re: "I know there are a zillion variables." - mpmarino 16:07:58 11/20/12 How does your comment cultivate discussion? - TriniTT 16:33:45 11/20/12 Re: How does your comment cultivate discussion? - mpmarino 17:31:11 11/20/12 If you're seriously considering experimenting, - TriniTT 19:57:27 11/20/12 its been done - only suitable for drag cars IMO (n/m) - ztunerz 11:23:40 11/20/12 Woo Hoo I was right :) (n/m) - Krazyd27(Houston) 12:56:27 11/20/12 ztunerz -Please tell me why you have that opinion. - mpmarino 16:29:36 11/20/12 here is why - ztunerz 17:21:58 11/20/12 Re: here is why - mpmarino 17:45:57 11/20/12 Re: here is why - mpmarino 18:45:46 11/20/12 you don't need to be a programmer you just need a - ztunerz 23:49:40 11/20/12 yep he would need a nice aquamist setup - aliaZ 06:28:24 11/21/12 bamm (n/m) - WhiTTe Z 22:03:30 11/20/12 btw - i would do water to air ics and meth if at all (n/m) - ztunerz 11:24:56 11/20/12 Would that be efficient for street applIcations? - AHos(Chicago) 15:21:04 11/20/12 it will if engineered right - check the new turbo m3 (n/m) - ztunerz 17:23:57 11/20/12 air to air is more efficient than air to water - aliaZ 06:47:03 11/21/12 If you can keep the water temp down - AHos(Chicago) 08:32:51 11/21/12 no - aliaZ 12:19:20 11/21/12 Ah true. I shoulda thought about that. (n/m) - AHos(Chicago) 14:59:17 11/21/12 Re: no - Zsgetyoulaid 22:24:08 11/21/12 That's what I was thinking. - AHos(Chicago) 00:38:22 11/22/12 water has a higher heat capacity - aliaZ 00:59:22 11/22/12 There is a shop in TX that did NA-TT swaps that way. - Woody75 (Denver) 11:25:36 11/20/12 HA - there is nothing new under the sun..... (n/m) - mpmarino 12:12:55 11/20/12 If you are going to run no intercoolers you need to run.... - TTZ2NV(EPTmotorsports) 10:21:16 11/21/12 Re: If you are going to run no intercoolers you need to run.... - mpmarino 12:49:08 11/21/12
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